Why do Jesus Christ and Jehovah Act Differently?
Q.
I look at Numbers 15: 32-36 where a man is put to death for gathering sticks on Sabbath and compare that to the Savior and disciples gather corn on the Sabbath; In Ezekiel 24 where the Lord kills Ezekiel's wife and compare that to the acts of compassion Christ showed, in 2Kings 2:23-24 where little children were poking fun at Elisha. He cursed them in the name of the Lord and 2 she bears came and tore 42 little chldren to pieces...
I can come to only one conclusion: Jehovah is NOT the Savior. Christ is I AM. Jehovah is a vicious,cruel being. There is much more evidence to support this claim throughout both the old and new testament.
A.
I agree with you that there is a vast difference between how Jehovah presents himself in the Old and New Testaments. I have no problem with you on that one. However your conclusion has missed the facts. When Moses led the Israelites out of captivity in Egypt he was getting a very hardhearted people. They could have seen miracles day after day and still not have been converted. Some few were, but not the majority. Moses went up the mountain and got the gospel written in stone for them to follow (as Moses insisted to God that they would follow them, even though God said otherwise). When Moses came down from the mountain he found them already worshipping idols. Upon seeing that God was right Moses broke the tablets, and went up and got rigid rules made by a concept of a tyrannical and schizophrenic God with a bad case of multiple personality disorder.
Heavenly Father has billions of spirits to bring down to earth. He has to decide where he can produce the best results for what he has to work with. At the time of Moses it was mainly the hardhearted that he decided to put down together. From there he mostly brought down the same type of spirits. But at the time of Christ he had previously decided to bring down some really good spirits. The same opposite applies to the dark ages VS. those in the church today. These are opposite types of spirits. So they get opposite types of law if the latter will listen to the Holy Ghost. You must keep in mind this problem that Heavenly Father has when you read the Scriptures. I can testify to you that both Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have a love in them for every one of us that is far beyond comprehension. It has to be experienced to believe and understand.
We all die at some point. That is inevitable. People die every day. Is this because God is cruel? No. Death is an eternal result of sin for a person with a fallen body. Heavenly Father has it set that each person has done as best they are going to do with a physical body. It is time for them to pass on to the spirit world and learn further there.
So keeping these facts in mind let's look at the texts you present _
In regard Numbers 15:32-36 and the disciples gathering corn; You should carefully and prayerfully read the message Christ was delivering in Matt 5:27-48. Actually read what it says, not what you think it must mean. Take it all on face value. I am forbidden by the Spirit to answer any further on that subject (and have been for decades).
As to the statement that Ezekiel's wife died at that particular time. Two things come to mind. 1. This was quite likely symbolic, not a real death. 2. IF that is not the case, then God knew that it was her time for reasons neither you nor I could possibly know without knowing his wife and all her circumstances. Everybody dies at some point. He would have just made sure that was the time for her.
I remember an incident when my deceased wife and I were going through a very bad time in our marriage. I pleaded with God to soften her heart. He asked what I had in mind. I said, "anything". Jesus asked, "anything"? I replied, "yes, anything". He said, "are you sure, anything"? I said, "yes". The next morning the phone rang. The Holy Ghost told me that it was my wife's sister on the phone ringing to tell her that her mother had died. This still didn't soften my wife's heart. Jesus said to me, "what more could I have done"? While he had arranged for this to happen at this time he had it in mind when she was born.
Jesus made sure that it was her time to go. This is not the only such experience I've had. Jesus made someone else die when I needed it. Yet he knew to make sure that it was her time also. Heavenly Father had these things planned before we were born.
In regard Elijah. By making light of God's servant it reflected on Israel's perception of how they should think of God and so his commandments. These were a hardhearted people who burnt their firstborn children to Baal. You think killing 42 was heavy? These people were murdering millions. And what would have been your choice between the two? I'd suggest you have some conversations with Heavenly Father and find out just how he feels about what his children are doing to each other. Because you have completely missed where he and Jehovah are at.
Let me remind you of an incident done by one of Christ's apostles _
"And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter asked her, Tell me whether you sold the land for so much? And she said, Yes, for so much. Then Peter said to her, How is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? look, the feet of them which have buried your husband are at the door, and shall carry you out. Then fell she down straight away at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband." Acts 5:7-10
Here we have one of Christ's apostles bringing about a death. God knows that if people triffle with him and his commandments then all hell will break loose instead. Look at the evil the Nephites brought on themselves by not following God. The destruction of an entire people. Look at all the evil man brings upon himself by his evil acts.
Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament _ Both are referred to in the Bible as "Savior", "Redeemer", "Holy One of Israel", "Judge", John the forerunner to, "Creator" and "Alpha and Omega".
I look at Numbers 15: 32-36 where a man is put to death for gathering sticks on Sabbath and compare that to the Savior and disciples gather corn on the Sabbath; In Ezekiel 24 where the Lord kills Ezekiel's wife and compare that to the acts of compassion Christ showed, in 2Kings 2:23-24 where little children were poking fun at Elisha. He cursed them in the name of the Lord and 2 she bears came and tore 42 little chldren to pieces...
I can come to only one conclusion: Jehovah is NOT the Savior. Christ is I AM. Jehovah is a vicious,cruel being. There is much more evidence to support this claim throughout both the old and new testament.
A.
I agree with you that there is a vast difference between how Jehovah presents himself in the Old and New Testaments. I have no problem with you on that one. However your conclusion has missed the facts. When Moses led the Israelites out of captivity in Egypt he was getting a very hardhearted people. They could have seen miracles day after day and still not have been converted. Some few were, but not the majority. Moses went up the mountain and got the gospel written in stone for them to follow (as Moses insisted to God that they would follow them, even though God said otherwise). When Moses came down from the mountain he found them already worshipping idols. Upon seeing that God was right Moses broke the tablets, and went up and got rigid rules made by a concept of a tyrannical and schizophrenic God with a bad case of multiple personality disorder.
Heavenly Father has billions of spirits to bring down to earth. He has to decide where he can produce the best results for what he has to work with. At the time of Moses it was mainly the hardhearted that he decided to put down together. From there he mostly brought down the same type of spirits. But at the time of Christ he had previously decided to bring down some really good spirits. The same opposite applies to the dark ages VS. those in the church today. These are opposite types of spirits. So they get opposite types of law if the latter will listen to the Holy Ghost. You must keep in mind this problem that Heavenly Father has when you read the Scriptures. I can testify to you that both Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have a love in them for every one of us that is far beyond comprehension. It has to be experienced to believe and understand.
We all die at some point. That is inevitable. People die every day. Is this because God is cruel? No. Death is an eternal result of sin for a person with a fallen body. Heavenly Father has it set that each person has done as best they are going to do with a physical body. It is time for them to pass on to the spirit world and learn further there.
So keeping these facts in mind let's look at the texts you present _
In regard Numbers 15:32-36 and the disciples gathering corn; You should carefully and prayerfully read the message Christ was delivering in Matt 5:27-48. Actually read what it says, not what you think it must mean. Take it all on face value. I am forbidden by the Spirit to answer any further on that subject (and have been for decades).
As to the statement that Ezekiel's wife died at that particular time. Two things come to mind. 1. This was quite likely symbolic, not a real death. 2. IF that is not the case, then God knew that it was her time for reasons neither you nor I could possibly know without knowing his wife and all her circumstances. Everybody dies at some point. He would have just made sure that was the time for her.
I remember an incident when my deceased wife and I were going through a very bad time in our marriage. I pleaded with God to soften her heart. He asked what I had in mind. I said, "anything". Jesus asked, "anything"? I replied, "yes, anything". He said, "are you sure, anything"? I said, "yes". The next morning the phone rang. The Holy Ghost told me that it was my wife's sister on the phone ringing to tell her that her mother had died. This still didn't soften my wife's heart. Jesus said to me, "what more could I have done"? While he had arranged for this to happen at this time he had it in mind when she was born.
Jesus made sure that it was her time to go. This is not the only such experience I've had. Jesus made someone else die when I needed it. Yet he knew to make sure that it was her time also. Heavenly Father had these things planned before we were born.
In regard Elijah. By making light of God's servant it reflected on Israel's perception of how they should think of God and so his commandments. These were a hardhearted people who burnt their firstborn children to Baal. You think killing 42 was heavy? These people were murdering millions. And what would have been your choice between the two? I'd suggest you have some conversations with Heavenly Father and find out just how he feels about what his children are doing to each other. Because you have completely missed where he and Jehovah are at.
Let me remind you of an incident done by one of Christ's apostles _
"And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter asked her, Tell me whether you sold the land for so much? And she said, Yes, for so much. Then Peter said to her, How is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? look, the feet of them which have buried your husband are at the door, and shall carry you out. Then fell she down straight away at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband." Acts 5:7-10
Here we have one of Christ's apostles bringing about a death. God knows that if people triffle with him and his commandments then all hell will break loose instead. Look at the evil the Nephites brought on themselves by not following God. The destruction of an entire people. Look at all the evil man brings upon himself by his evil acts.
Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament _ Both are referred to in the Bible as "Savior", "Redeemer", "Holy One of Israel", "Judge", John the forerunner to, "Creator" and "Alpha and Omega".
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